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#1306 amh91

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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:19 PM

I hope whoever put that clip together realises that, at numerous stages, the so-called uncut footage is actually much more problematic and painful then the footage shown in the finished film. Case in point, the St Lucia footage - the documentary that Mitch is so proud of and harps on about actually obscures the discomfort that Amy shows when the camera crew is there, whereas Kapadia's film makes her ill ease plain to see. For anyone to say that the film is dishonest with that in mind, WITH THE FOOTAGE LITERALLY SHOWN SIDE BY SIDE IN THAT VIDEO, is disingenuous to say the least.

I'll add more and edit later on, typing from my phone lol.
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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:30 PM

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." - Friedrich Nietzsche


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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:34 PM

I don't think they do@amh91! Because they probably don't even look for the full footage, they put things together as they wish. I know, Kapadia made it less painful, and that's my point, if they watched the full Mitch documentary it'd be even worse. Or they just want to be blind like someone else we know! And Tony Bennet footage, the bit when Amy alone is commenting the song? I don't even want to remember that, if you guys had seen it you know what I'm referring to. x
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Posted 06 March 2016 - 07:57 PM

I just want to add this about the infamous 'she doesn't need to go to rehab' clip/audio. Compare the audio in Kapadia ('I said, to the managers, she doesn't need to go to rehab, she's fine') with the 2007 documentary ('I said she doesn't need to go to rehab, she's fine; she's just broken up with her boyfriend and she feels sick about it and she had a drink, just like lots of other people would do under those circumstances, and I said I think she's fine').

 

Note that at no point in the 2007 clip, as presented in the Facebook video, does Mitch ever say 'I said she doesn't need to go to rehab, at that time. Later on, it's a different story', as Mitch notes in this Guardian article, http://www.theguardi...ocumentary-film

 

Note, too, that the 2007 clip actually makes him sound even more ignorant and makes him appear as if he's more inclined to cover up or excuse her drinking, which Amy does herself if you watch the clip in its full context. So it appears as if the footage that was officially released by Amy when she was alive is much more incriminating than the footage shown in Kapadia's film.

 

I don't understand how Mitch can possibly be angry with Kapadia at presenting his words in that manner in the film when what we see in the film is almost identical to the footage we saw in 2007. Is he really trying to pick and choose and revise history? 

 

If the person who posted that video is reading this - please, for Mitch's "credibility" and your own, take it down! It's not as cut and dry as you seem to think it is! It problematises Mitch's relationship with Amy much, much more than the film ever could! Take it down and we'll pretend like nothing ever happened! I promise! lol 

 

EDIT: And, yes, I'm aware of the irony that I'm effectively trying to cover up and obscure history and facts, too but fuck it, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em! lol 


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 12:00 AM

They shouldn't have tweeted that to Janis. I find it lovely how Janis keeps in touch with Amy's fans, I guess it's a way of honoring Amy's memory. I remember someone asking her about Juliette and Lauren, and she chose not to answer that question. Either way, I have nothing but empathy for her and hope she's doing well, especially with her MS.
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Posted 07 March 2016 - 10:24 AM

It's delusional to think that showing more uncut raw footage will somehow change the narrative :

 

  • I saw the whole documentary of Mitch in St Lucia when it came out, and even though it was meant to be about how a family deals with addiction, it ended up being more about how fame is ruining Amy and how her dad is forcing her to be "at work" all the time, taking photos with fans, etc. when she clearly just needs a break from it all. I watched the whole thing, and it was way more painful and cringeworthy than the snippet in Asif's film. 

 

  • I also watched the Body and Soul footage when it was released, and it made me really uncomfortable, because you realise they picked the best parts to make up the video/song, but that the process was actually a struggle. Sure, she's nervous, but she's also lost her voice, and she knows it's bad. I know she's always had high standards and is always hard on herself, but we have to be honest, that was not her best singing and she knew it ! That whole uncut footage of her in the booth with Tony is not  a happy time for Amy. I mean yes, she's singing with her idol, but she's visibly frail, this is around the time she was in a coma remember, and she's just not up to standard. 

 

  • All the footage from Belgrade is heartbreaking. You can't edit it to make it look better or worse than what it was! Kapadia did not trick anyone with that footage!

 

  • And again, I don't care if Mitch said "at that time" when the cameras were off or when he was being interviewed in the dark. She was an addict. She was suffering from her addiction. Sure, at this stage, it was "only" alcoholism (*eye roll). But it doesn't change anything. It's a shame that Amy mentioned in her song how she manipulated her dad into not going and that Rehab became so famous that he then found himself having to explain it over and over. Because it's an unfortunate mistake that lots of parents make in this situation, when they're being manipulated by an addict, but it normally happens in the privacy of their own home. 

 

But none of this actually makes Asif's movie a lie.

Sure, there was editing (that's why they got an oscar by the way, and not Mr. Paparazzi for example, because that's what making a documentary requires, taking raw footage and turning it to something coherent), but it doesn't take away from the truth.

 

Mitch wants to make a movie where you see Amy as a happy and successful, and that she is somehow struck down by addiction as if it was cancer or something. Then it would remove all responsibility...


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 03:04 PM

Hey there,

 

please excuse my English.

 

been a long-time reader and just wanted to point something out: although I love the film and I acknowledge that it is a fair portrayal of Amy's life and contribution to music and to our lives, although I think it is a pretty honest piece of work, made out of good intentions and even short in naughty details some times, it is not so hard to understand the parts of AMY Mitch is missing in the movie and whose absence undermine his public image as a father.

 

Mitch's role in Amy's life is basically mentioned three times in the movie, all of them negative facts. We all know Mitch's fought dealers at Amy's door and stuff, and that they all went through hell, specially in 2007 to 2008. It is foreseeable the man to be pissed off about the film, since it leaves him in a prettty fuckedup position.

 

Needless to say that the bad stuff (St. Lucia, rehab, etc.) is real, but the thing is... there's ONLY bad stuff 'bout him and Janis, and, whereas I understand the sanctification of Amy's figure (she's a pop star, she chose it, and it is comprehensible that some details are omitted in her story in favor of the myth), we must not forget that Mitch and Janis are plain human beings, who didn't choose fame, so we cannot possibly expect they to be okay with having a mere negative role in Amy's biography in the public eye.

 

I honestly think the media and Twitter constant instigation has progressively augmented Mitch's anger, and you can tell by the magnitude of his own words as the documentary has grown bigger in film festivals and eventually the award season.

 

So, I think one can be in peace both with the movie and Mitch's attitude. I totally understand it, and I hope people stop pushing him.

 


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Posted 07 March 2016 - 06:01 PM

It's delusional to think that showing more uncut raw footage will somehow change the narrative :

 

  • I saw the whole documentary of Mitch in St Lucia when it came out, and even though it was meant to be about how a family deals with addiction, it ended up being more about how fame is ruining Amy and how her dad is forcing her to be "at work" all the time, taking photos with fans, etc. when she clearly just needs a break from it all. I watched the whole thing, and it was way more painful and cringeworthy than the snippet in Asif's film. 

 

  • I also watched the Body and Soul footage when it was released, and it made me really uncomfortable, because you realise they picked the best parts to make up the video/song, but that the process was actually a struggle. Sure, she's nervous, but she's also lost her voice, and she knows it's bad. I know she's always had high standards and is always hard on herself, but we have to be honest, that was not her best singing and she knew it ! That whole uncut footage of her in the booth with Tony is not  a happy time for Amy. I mean yes, she's singing with her idol, but she's visibly frail, this is around the time she was in a coma remember, and she's just not up to standard. 

 

  • All the footage from Belgrade is heartbreaking. You can't edit it to make it look better or worse than what it was! Kapadia did not trick anyone with that footage!

 

  • And again, I don't care if Mitch said "at that time" when the cameras were off or when he was being interviewed in the dark. She was an addict. She was suffering from her addiction. Sure, at this stage, it was "only" alcoholism (*eye roll). But it doesn't change anything. It's a shame that Amy mentioned in her song how she manipulated her dad into not going and that Rehab became so famous that he then found himself having to explain it over and over. Because it's an unfortunate mistake that lots of parents make in this situation, when they're being manipulated by an addict, but it normally happens in the privacy of their own home. 

 

But none of this actually makes Asif's movie a lie.

Sure, there was editing (that's why they got an oscar by the way, and not Mr. Paparazzi for example, because that's what making a documentary requires, taking raw footage and turning it to something coherent), but it doesn't take away from the truth.

 

Mitch wants to make a movie where you see Amy as a happy and successful, and that she is somehow struck down by addiction as if it was cancer or something. Then it would remove all responsibility...

 

Thank YOU @HalloSailor, totally agree. Completely. So nicely put!!  

 

With the latest "claim" that the movie is a "lie", it seems as he's running out of negative stuff to say….and the aggression is mounting the more the movie gets all the recognition it clearly deserves, the more the attacks are paranoid and senseless…..even in front of clear facts, of the Truth…..however edited…sorry it's still the Truth…how sad…mental illnesses like narcissism are truly insidious and dangerous…..



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Posted 08 March 2016 - 08:16 PM

Hey there,

 

please excuse my English.

 

been a long-time reader and just wanted to point something out: although I love the film and I acknowledge that it is a fair portrayal of Amy's life and contribution to music and to our lives, although I think it is a pretty honest piece of work, made out of good intentions and even short in naughty details some times, it is not so hard to understand the parts of AMY Mitch is missing in the movie and whose absence undermine his public image as a father.

 

Mitch's role in Amy's life is basically mentioned three times in the movie, all of them negative facts. We all know Mitch's fought dealers at Amy's door and stuff, and that they all went through hell, specially in 2007 to 2008. It is foreseeable the man to be pissed off about the film, since it leaves him in a prettty fuckedup position.

 

Needless to say that the bad stuff (St. Lucia, rehab, etc.) is real, but the thing is... there's ONLY bad stuff 'bout him and Janis, and, whereas I understand the sanctification of Amy's figure (she's a pop star, she chose it, and it is comprehensible that some details are omitted in her story in favor of the myth), we must not forget that Mitch and Janis are plain human beings, who didn't choose fame, so we cannot possibly expect they to be okay with having a mere negative role in Amy's biography in the public eye.

 

I honestly think the media and Twitter constant instigation has progressively augmented Mitch's anger, and you can tell by the magnitude of his own words as the documentary has grown bigger in film festivals and eventually the award season.

 

So, I think one can be in peace both with the movie and Mitch's attitude. I totally understand it, and I hope people stop pushing him.

 

Hi there!

 

Your English is excellent by the way...

 

Thank you for this. It is important to put things back in perspective. 



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 08:25 AM

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 06:16 PM

I'm probably one of few people who aren't very fond of this movie and the whole idea behind it. Don't get me wrong, the filmmakers seemed to have good intentions and made a great job in portraying Amy in an honest way. Although I can't help but question the labels decision to make this film.

 

It's pretty clear their only interest was to exploit her by: 

1. bring her to life again

2. show us what a "genius" she was 

 

This will get people to go buy her music, which leads to increased record sales, which is exactly what they wanted. It's always about money. I doubt Amy would've liked the film, especially when they share private, intimate moments (like from her wedding day, voicemails, pictures from her laptop etc) with the whole world  :mellow:

They even said the music industry will invest more in film/documentary, cause that's where the money is right now.



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Posted 05 May 2016 - 08:22 PM

@LuckyHorse I understand how it can be interpreted that way, but her whole life was already made public, i.e. private footage, even her deceased body being taken out of her home was already shown prior to this documentary. What this doc did is give the story behind it and it did so in the most respectful way possible. As far as making money out of her, well they did that while she was alive and were doing it when she died. I agree that her estate and her record company are getting more money as a result of this doc, but at least she is now respected as the artist she was.
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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:22 AM

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Posted 18 September 2016 - 09:44 AM

"They didn't even have Reg in the film and he was her boyfriend for two years."

 

Amy and Reg were together for a little over a year. Mitch should get his facts straight.


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