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[Ava_Grace]

When trying to understand how someone like Amy led such a destructive life, one must look at the psycho-social factors surrounding her. The social factors are a broken family with a father who leaves the family for another woman and an environment she moves into, Camden, that has access to pubs and drugs that not any typical city would have, and then there's the pop star level fame she received as a result of her success.
Psychologically, she was not well and the self harming and bulimia that started in her youth are major symptoms of a mentally unstable person. Drugs and alcohol only did more damage to her mental health, not to mention the seizures she had. Suffice to say she had everything going against her: an unstable family home, an environment that facilitated her substance abuse, mega fame, mental illness and low self esteeem so she didn't stand a chance.

If she wouldn't have died that day, how long of a life would she have lived? Imo not that long of a life. Bulimia alone can lead to a shorter lifespan because it affects every organ of your body, especially the heart. Add in the alcohol and a history of drug abuse, it's a miracle she made it to 27.

[HelloSailor]

I agree with pretty much everything but this : 

 

 and an environment she moves into, Camden, that has access to pubs and drugs that not any typical city would have

 

I've lived in several parts of London, including Camden, and I've also lived in small towns in the countryside, including other countries. Drugs and alcohol are everywhere. Sure, Camden has that young, party atmosphere. But when you're young, you can create/find that atmosphere pretty much anywhere. I worked quite a bit in bars and restaurants, and even in small towns, there were lots of drugs and booze, because me and my colleagues just wanted to have a good time, so we always found them...

Access to money and the music industry definitely contributed to her addictions, because it's everywhere and tolerated, even encouraged. I feel that Amy would've gone down that road even if she hadn't moved to Camden. But I agree that Camden probably precipitated her downfall, in the sense that she surrounded herself with people all "having a good time".

[WhoDat]

I think drugs and alcohol can be found everywhere, but the round the clock party scene in Camden attracts a certain crowd and hard partying is like a badge of honour there in a way that it might not be in other places. That environment did seem to facilitate and perhaps even encouraged Amy's addictions. Even her friends felt she changed when she moved there. I remember someone who lived in Camden when Amy was living there telling me that Camden wasn't as fun since she passed. It seems that people there felt that what Amy was doing was just 'fun', probably because everyone else was doing it too. What chance did she have when there's always someone who wants to go out and party or there's always a pub open? Amy might have developed a drug and alcohol problem anyway, but I don't think she was ever going to get better so long as she remained living in Camden.

[LuckyHorse]

Yeah but in the documentary he said the first time she took crack and heroin was after they came back married, other times he said they started before the marriage and stopped taking it when they where in America.

In this video for example it was recorded January 2007, she is shivering and stuttering. Is she on crack?

https://youtu.be/p4BhLnWnj8E

[LuckyHorse]

When did he say that?

In his interview with Jeremy Kyle, he says it started 1-2 months before. In 'The last hours', they it was in April but I'm not sure if they interviewed him for that or if it was an assumption.

[Love is a losing game]

In this video for example it was recorded January 2007, she is shivering and stuttering. Is she on crack?
https://youtu.be/p4BhLnWnj8E

IMO she's on coke there.

[LuckyHorse]

IMO she's on coke there.

Oh ok. Can coke make you talk gibberish? Nick said she did that when she called him on his trip in February 2005. He thought she was on heroin.

[HelloSailor]

Coke will make you talk faster and non-stop, and make you think that you're so interesting... but not necessarily talk gibberish. 

I think when Nick mentioned that phone call during his skiing trip, he said he thought she was on hard drugs, didn't mention heroin specifically. 'Hard drugs' for a lot of people is anything that's not weed. Maybe he just meant that she was on more than just weed and alcohol (could be ecstasy, ketamine, lsd, anything...). Then again, to other people 'hard drugs' are just heroine and crack, the rest count as soft drugs.

 

Back to the video, Amy's eyes are bloodshot, looks like she's been smoking a lot of weed. She might no longer be on drugs during the interview, but on a comedown (weed helps alleviate the comedown to some extent). Whatever it was, she's not well!

It looks like that video is from around the same time she did that photo shoot where she's sitting on a bath tub, with a navy blue t-shirt, jeans, a bow in her hair (minus the big earrings). I remember reading that during that shoot she was in a really bad place, hitting herself and repeating that she was ugly. 

[Lyricsbyamy]

Maybe it did start earlier, but i doubt it. When i look at pics of Amy from 2005/2006 she still looks really Young and fresh faced, besides the fact that she was way too Thin in 2006 and things were already going downhill. She looks different in pics from 2007, i don't know what it is but she just looks Different, ,not as young and as fresh faced anymore. Also, in some 2007 interviews she comes across Absent, like she's giving an interview but she's not really there. I didn't really notice that During interviews from earlier years.